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you're tuned in to night vision radio

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exposing the truth one secret at a time

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prepare yourself as we explore the

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shadow worlds of suppressed history

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secret knowledge forbidden religion and

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shine a light on the conspiracies to

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welcome to night-vision radio

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hey welcome everybody I'm your host

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Renee Barnett this is night vision radio

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I'm really excited about tonight's show

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because not only is it going to be

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really interesting information it's

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going to be a lot of fun I've decided to

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sort of start a new feature on night

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vision and every now and then we will be

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looking at specific locations and

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examining them for all their weird

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activity whether it be paranormal UFO

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haunts hidden history whatever the case

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may be forbidden archeology we're going

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to take a look at special places because

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I think you guys have heard me say

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several times you know of course you

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always hear me gassing on about going to

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France and of course I love to go over

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there and poke around in Europe and

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because there's so much history there

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but I also say that you know you really

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don't have to be a world traveler or not

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that I am but you don't have to go

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across the ocean to find really strange

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and interesting things as a matter of

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fact I think you can probably find them

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right in your own backyard

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so I'm going to start a feature called

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in our own backyard and tonight we're

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going to start with my home state and

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some really good friends of mine who are

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doing some amazing research there their

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UFO investigators par excellence they're

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veterans they're directors of the

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Oklahoma UFO paranormal team and they

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both have years of experience in

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investigating UFOs they were state

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directors of MUFON for a number of years

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they've continued on their own research

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and they've really dovetailed and

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expanded it into different areas that

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include forbidden history hauntings any

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kind of strangeness that you want to

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find in the state of Oklahoma and I'm so

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excited because they've just returned

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from an investigation into the infamous

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Dogman of Oklahoma which I can't wait to

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hear about so tonight without further

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ado I'd like to introduce

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Marilyn and dick Carlson hey guys thank

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you so much for joining us thanks for

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having us you know I should also mention

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we got you know our wonderful producer

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on the on the line with us at all times

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making sure everything runs properly and

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we've asked MJ to jump in at any moment

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you know because he's definitely got his

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own paranormal background and he may

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have some information to include or he

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may have some additional questions for

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our guest tonight but you know Marilyn I

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was trying to think about you know

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earlier when we first came into contact

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and her course it brought to mind our

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good friend the late great Elaine

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Douglas who was a MUFON Utah State

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Director for a number I think something

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like 25 years or something some crazy

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amount of time around a long time

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operation right - no and she was a

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fireball we lost her a couple years back

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heard from Elaine that her passing was

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of Oklahoma we have a lot to talk about

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because we know a lot of the same sights

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but I tell you Marilyn a dick have

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really gotten in there and you guys are

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onto a lot of things that I didn't even

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know about so I want to get into that

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whole Dogman investigation

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what is the Dogman what dog man is a

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creature that ranges in height from

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seven foot two and it's been reported as

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being as as tall as 12 foot it looks

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like a dog has dog face but it walks on

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the shame

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of them more like human legs and

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snout of the dog and how long have these

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talking about and I was so amazed at the

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many stories that went back at least a

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hundred years of Bigfoot reports in the

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area but growing up there I didn't hear

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of a legendary creature that you know in

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certain communities they know about but

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cliquish and clannish and the little

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investigating and you know the the

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Bigfoot thing and I would go you know

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sin like say McCurtain County and I

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me this event he goes he's from Payne

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Payne County so is this one of those

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kind of deals that I just never heard

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about or is there something that's come

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fairly recent thing that thing that

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is a Pennsylvania investigator which

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were TASKE that really kind of brought

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it to the forefront about dog man and so

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sudden they're near Haven or a lot of

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people have heard of the he've inner

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McAllister on that way but it's a it's a

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beautiful drive in to tell her you know

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landscape really is conducive to both

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Bigfoot and and the dog man

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man they were sitting on their back

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porch and she was reading the paper and

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Talihina Lake and it was difficult even

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high and there was no shoreline

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dam there yeah and so we we looked

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around for footprints scouted all around

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close-mouthed tight-lipped we we had to

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be very careful about going on anybody's

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property because a lot of the land there

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we noticed was posted so we we didn't

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dare go on that property and so it

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water it was a little difficult to get

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in to look more for footprints but we do

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east of Ada and aedra eight is in the

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central part of the state yep and he

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reported seeing what appeared to be a

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doglike creature out by his barn and

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he's watching it and it turns and it

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he sees that he's looking at it and it

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turns and starts menacingly walking

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towards him and that's when he could see

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then that it had a face of a Middaugh

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what a weird feeling would that be it

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of like almost like you could almost

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except kind of a Bigfoot creature but

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that is really bizarre walking dog man

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right and we went out at first he

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thought it was just like three or four

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foot tall but when he had his son go out

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who's nearly six foot and stand out

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where he was saw the creature standing

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creature was probably seven foot or more

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oh my god so I thought of what initially

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came out of the barn that was on all

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fours yeah well yeah it was walking on

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all fours but then I then it

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and walked on its hind legs towards him

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so anyway I bet that would call for some

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went out there right away and he found a

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footprint he had dumped the ashes out of

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the from the fireplace and it was out a

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little ways into the field and he found

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a footprint in where the mud and the

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ashes were and that footprint that I

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sent you a photograph of yeah we're

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holding the casting

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that's the footprint mm-hmm pretty big

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size of actual great wolf print as near

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as we could tell by researching a little

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bit for the size of the print and but

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the print went down into the mud and

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ashes quite away so it weighed a lot

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whatever stepped on that one spot and

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it's just the one footprint we searched

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around for other footprints but it was

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just a little bit too rocky to find any

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find any other prints but we casted it

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and the largest dog that we had it to

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compare to is still larger than a great

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pyrenees hmm we can't we compared the

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print to that dog and even it's still

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larger cast the dog's footprint into the

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mud and then did the comparison and the

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footprint cast was larger than that Wow

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yeah you know it's funny because that's

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the same area aid Talihina broken bow

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all around that area Evenor in a cross

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so you know it's right there along the

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Arkansas well that area is really in

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that point where Arkansas Oklahoma Texas

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all kind of come together and maybe

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Louisiana even into there and so it that

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area we found so many reports of you

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know cryptids but mostly what you know

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mean they have different names for them

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dog man really a Bigfoot that just has a

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I wonder or are some of these Bigfoot

273
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sightings really dog man sightings yes

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you know maybe people are gay maybe

275
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there are two different creatures down

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there and people you know kind of see

277
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one furry creature and you know assume

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it's a Bigfoot or something like that

279
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but it was it was really amazing and

280
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down by ADA we met with way way way out

281
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in this little house in the woods met

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with this Seminole medicine man and he

283
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talked to us about the the Bigfoot

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creatures and he said we just call them

285
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another tribe we don't bother them and

286
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they don't bother us but they walk up

287
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and down the rivers and the streams you

288
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know they walk along the the waterways

289
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and these were things that were just

290
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again right in my own backyard

291
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growing up in southeastern Oklahoma that

292
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I just did not know about and it's

293
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amazing you know it's got to be that way

294
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everywhere there's got to be hidden

295
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things that if you look you'll find and

296
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I know you guys have done a lot of work

297
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in not only encrypted but in hauntings

298
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and long long history of UFO

299
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investigations right yes we we fact we

300
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we just got a request to do an interview

301
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we we investigated something in

302
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Springfield

303
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Missouri it's really not here but we've

304
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been asked very close yeah yeah by yeah

305
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TV in Springfield mmm if we would if we

306
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would interview about a case that where

307
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this young nine year old girl was killed

308
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in it she was murdered and we went over

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to investigate it and we made contact

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with her and so we we we had that up on

311
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the website but we're noticing

312
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we just went to tonight take a look at

313
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it and for some reason our video of our

314
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contact with the girl we did it we use a

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flashlight to make contact some people

316
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use the spirit box I don't find it very

317
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trustworthy at all but yet people tell

318
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you well don't trust the flashlight but

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the flashlight it you know we use a mag

320
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light and the small the small mag light

321
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that you can buy right and we set it

322
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somewhere where it's not being disturbed

323
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by vibrations or or us nobody touches it

324
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we ask questions and we just instruct

325
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the spirit to touch the flashlight to

326
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get it to turn on to answer questions

327
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that are yes or no questions and we did

328
00:18:28,869 --> 00:18:21,799
that also when we investigated oh gosh

329
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what was his name yeah working late Jean

330
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Laroy heart

331
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yeah yes and he's he's buried up in

332
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Baloo which is it must be it's out of

333
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yeah it's out of locust Grove's grove

334
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yeah yeah may not know we we've actually

335
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on this show and you've done other shows

336
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on it as well gene Laroy heart was the

337
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main

338
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suspect in a murder case in Oklahoma

339
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back in what was it 1977 97 yeah June of

340
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1977 and we're three little girl scouts

341
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were murdered I mean that the case

342
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actually garnered worldwide press and

343
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attention and Jean art was the main

344
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suspect however he was acquitted huge

345
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huge controversy in the state of

346
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Oklahoma everyone has an opinion one way

347
00:19:30,710 --> 00:19:28,290
or the other but there was a lot of sort

348
00:19:33,410 --> 00:19:30,720
of paranormal things that went on during

349
00:19:37,100 --> 00:19:33,420
that investigation and had to do with

350
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medicine men and and yes rituals being

351
00:19:40,250 --> 00:19:38,790
performed at the courthouse and all

352
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kinds of really really interesting

353
00:19:45,980 --> 00:19:42,900
things the gene Hart died in a very

354
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mysterious way after he was acquitted

355
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and he is buried in a graveyard in

356
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Maryland has been out there and outside

357
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Locust Grove

358
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so that's who we're talking about here

359
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and there's a lot of hair caramel stuff

360
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around that story I tell ya yeah Mike

361
00:20:08,810 --> 00:20:04,770
knows about that one we we did not make

362
00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:08,820
contact with Jean Leroy Hart but we his

363
00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:12,170
mother is buried right next to him and

364
00:20:20,330 --> 00:20:16,650
we made one with her LM a buckskin LM a

365
00:20:25,730 --> 00:20:20,340
buckskin that's right and we made

366
00:20:29,450 --> 00:20:25,740
contact with her and so it's still an

367
00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:29,460
open investigation the files have not

368
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been closed on that case because they

369
00:20:38,540 --> 00:20:35,060
have not found the individual who

370
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because he was acquitted of the murders

371
00:20:47,150 --> 00:20:42,390
let me say this Jean Louie Roy Hart was

372
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not a man Iceman no he when he died he

373
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died in prison and he was there because

374
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he was convicted of a kidnapping and

375
00:21:00,500 --> 00:20:58,440
rape and raping a couple women and they

376
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were young young young young pregnant

377
00:21:08,850 --> 00:21:05,640
women right and so he was convicted of

378
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that crime so it wasn't be

379
00:21:17,610 --> 00:21:14,770
on him to kidnap even a young child or

380
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go in and and commit the murders of

381
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those young girls but because he was

382
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acquitted that there was apparently not

383
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:29,440
enough evidence and there there is a guy

384
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that wrote tent number eight presented

385
00:21:38,030 --> 00:21:34,990
down here in Lexington

386
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there's a gentleman that has a bookstore

387
00:21:45,020 --> 00:21:42,850
down here and he he has frequent people

388
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come in and and guests come in and talk

389
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:48,640
about their books he prefers authors but

390
00:21:54,180 --> 00:21:51,250
he won't we're gonna we're not authors

391
00:21:57,590 --> 00:21:54,190
and we're gonna go down on the 4th of

392
00:22:02,130 --> 00:21:57,600
August and do a presentation on UFOs

393
00:22:06,930 --> 00:22:02,140
because he he's doing a weekend thing

394
00:22:09,570 --> 00:22:06,940
called saucers over Oklahoma oh yeah and

395
00:22:11,270 --> 00:22:09,580
so we're gonna go down and and present

396
00:22:15,020 --> 00:22:11,280
about some of our Oklahoma

397
00:22:18,630 --> 00:22:15,030
investigations a UFO investigations so

398
00:22:23,159 --> 00:22:18,640
and there's there's been quite a few of

399
00:22:26,820 --> 00:22:23,169
those we've we were actually at the

400
00:22:29,490 --> 00:22:26,830
Runestone and we were sky watching and

401
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:29,500
we caught something we do not know what

402
00:22:34,020 --> 00:22:31,090
it was we could see it was a naked eye

403
00:22:37,590 --> 00:22:34,030
it was a brilliant bright light it was

404
00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:37,600
down in the valley low below them the

405
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:38,400
Runestone

406
00:22:43,860 --> 00:22:41,290
there's a huge parking lot that's up

407
00:22:46,190 --> 00:22:43,870
kind of on the point and off to the left

408
00:22:49,140 --> 00:22:46,200
is a campground

409
00:22:52,470 --> 00:22:49,150
it used to be owned by the state that

410
00:22:55,289 --> 00:22:52,480
the state closed it and somebody else

411
00:22:57,360 --> 00:22:55,299
took over trying to support the

412
00:23:01,409 --> 00:22:57,370
campground but there is a campground

413
00:23:05,700 --> 00:23:01,419
there and we were up there and we saw

414
00:23:09,060 --> 00:23:05,710
this light come just drifting across the

415
00:23:10,590 --> 00:23:09,070
valley was not moving real fast we could

416
00:23:15,900 --> 00:23:10,600
see it with the naked eye and we caught

417
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:15,910
it on our night-vision cameras so there

418
00:23:22,590 --> 00:23:17,890
is activity there there's UFO activity

419
00:23:24,870 --> 00:23:22,600
there in that area as well so

420
00:23:29,190 --> 00:23:24,880
and then we have another case that was

421
00:23:32,310 --> 00:23:29,200
reported to us near Ada and this woman

422
00:23:37,860 --> 00:23:32,320
was driving down the road and she saw

423
00:23:40,590 --> 00:23:37,870
dog man climb over the fence and run

424
00:23:43,770 --> 00:23:40,600
across the road and into the woods on

425
00:23:46,140 --> 00:23:43,780
the other side and it turned and looked

426
00:23:48,060 --> 00:23:46,150
at her as she was rough as it was

427
00:23:50,450 --> 00:23:48,070
running across the road and that's when

428
00:23:55,410 --> 00:23:50,460
she could see that it had a doglike face

429
00:23:58,110 --> 00:23:55,420
so that's that's another case was that

430
00:24:00,210 --> 00:23:58,120
was that day or night do you know it was

431
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:00,220
a daytime sighting daytime oh my

432
00:24:08,310 --> 00:24:03,330
goodness that's really Wow now did you

433
00:24:13,980 --> 00:24:08,320
happen to hear the story about actor Rob

434
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:13,990
Lowe recently yes he's doing some

435
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:22,210
programs on yeah I saw it this this

436
00:24:28,860 --> 00:24:26,170
morning on on page six calm and it says

437
00:24:30,390 --> 00:24:28,870
that Rob Lowe says he thought he was

438
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:30,400
going to be killed during an encounter

439
00:24:34,230 --> 00:24:32,290
with a Bigfoot creature while filming

440
00:24:37,530 --> 00:24:34,240
his new Andy docu-series

441
00:24:40,140 --> 00:24:37,540
you know where he was was he in Oklahoma

442
00:24:42,360 --> 00:24:40,150
at the time I do not know it says low

443
00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:42,370
tells Entertainment Weekly the encounter

444
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:45,130
took place in the Ozark Mountains which

445
00:24:49,410 --> 00:24:47,290
stretched through Arkansas Missouri and

446
00:24:52,140 --> 00:24:49,420
Oklahoma he said that he and his sons

447
00:24:54,420 --> 00:24:52,150
were camping there to investigate a

448
00:24:57,570 --> 00:24:54,430
bigfoot-like creature that the locals

449
00:24:59,550 --> 00:24:57,580
called a wood ape during a shoot for his

450
00:25:01,500 --> 00:24:59,560
new series called the low files

451
00:25:03,060 --> 00:25:01,510
he said something began to approach

452
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:03,070
their camp and he said he was lying on

453
00:25:07,410 --> 00:25:04,810
the ground thinking he was going to be

454
00:25:09,780 --> 00:25:07,420
killed and he also said these I'm fully

455
00:25:12,270 --> 00:25:09,790
aware but this story makes me sound like

456
00:25:14,820 --> 00:25:12,280
a crazy Hollywood kook but it happened

457
00:25:17,690 --> 00:25:14,830
really happened so that's really

458
00:25:21,150 --> 00:25:17,700
interesting it'll be fun to see that

459
00:25:23,220 --> 00:25:21,160
when it comes out we have a dolphin case

460
00:25:25,890 --> 00:25:23,230
in Boone County Arkansas that's been

461
00:25:30,060 --> 00:25:25,900
reported to us as well we have not gone

462
00:25:34,860 --> 00:25:30,070
over to investigate that but it's in a

463
00:25:35,940 --> 00:25:34,870
in a federal area that you know that's

464
00:25:40,230 --> 00:25:35,950
uh

465
00:25:42,540 --> 00:25:40,240
state state lands and so I will go and

466
00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:42,550
and check that out but it's gonna

467
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:45,760
probably be a three or four day camp out

468
00:25:50,550 --> 00:25:48,490
in order to see if we kid anything a lot

469
00:25:54,570 --> 00:25:50,560
of times when you go on investigations

470
00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:54,580
like that you know you don't things just

471
00:26:00,420 --> 00:25:57,730
don't happen right away you know you

472
00:26:02,700 --> 00:26:00,430
have to be there for a little while to

473
00:26:06,360 --> 00:26:02,710
see if you're gonna get any kind of

474
00:26:08,340 --> 00:26:06,370
action or reaction for things that are

475
00:26:11,420 --> 00:26:08,350
happening in that area the only case

476
00:26:15,360 --> 00:26:11,430
that we went on where we got something

477
00:26:20,730 --> 00:26:15,370
almost immediately upon arrival is in

478
00:26:28,470 --> 00:26:20,740
Pennsylvania when Ken Storch ran into

479
00:26:31,860 --> 00:26:28,480
his Bigfoot down on on narrows Creek and

480
00:26:34,380 --> 00:26:31,870
that's in Clearfield County and there's

481
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:34,390
a lot of there's also dog man being

482
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:36,250
reported in Clearfield County now as

483
00:26:43,010 --> 00:26:40,210
well so we find that interesting that

484
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:43,020
they're now seeing dog man as well so

485
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:46,330
clearly has some unusual things going on

486
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:49,330
now you mentioned that case down in

487
00:26:56,340 --> 00:26:51,490
Boone County Arkansas where is Boone

488
00:27:02,850 --> 00:26:56,350
County is that what's that close to well

489
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:02,860
it's it's probably it's up in north

490
00:27:08,730 --> 00:27:05,530
I think it's in Northeast Arkansas oh

491
00:27:11,220 --> 00:27:08,740
okay don't be be where the mountains are

492
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:11,230
starting right there's you know there's

493
00:27:18,690 --> 00:27:14,290
parts of Arkansas southern Arkansas is

494
00:27:22,140 --> 00:27:18,700
is like being down in southeast Oklahoma

495
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:22,150
yes in Texas up along the Texas border

496
00:27:28,380 --> 00:27:25,090
it's there's a it's sort of like

497
00:27:32,070 --> 00:27:28,390
mountains but rolling rolling kinda Hill

498
00:27:40,350 --> 00:27:32,080
mountains low low mountains and a lot of

499
00:27:43,610 --> 00:27:40,360
trees brushy yeah in the area so it it's

500
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:43,620
sometimes hard to go in and investigate

501
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:47,290
anything where it's overgrown with with

502
00:27:52,529 --> 00:27:49,330
brush and

503
00:27:55,019 --> 00:27:52,539
so and so we we kind of like to try and

504
00:27:58,619 --> 00:27:55,029
investigate things in the fall in the

505
00:28:00,570 --> 00:27:58,629
spring before the leaves are after you

506
00:28:02,549 --> 00:28:00,580
know the once the leaves are gone or in

507
00:28:04,769 --> 00:28:02,559
the spring before the leaves really set

508
00:28:14,269 --> 00:28:04,779
on because then you can see farther back

509
00:28:20,369 --> 00:28:17,310
unfortunately when we were filming for a

510
00:28:23,759 --> 00:28:20,379
Bigfoot bill documentary down in that

511
00:28:27,049 --> 00:28:23,769
region it was in December and it was

512
00:28:29,700 --> 00:28:27,059
cold as it could be in fact we were

513
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:29,710
staying in a cab and on top of one of

514
00:28:34,499 --> 00:28:30,850
those mountains

515
00:28:36,539 --> 00:28:34,509
I want right along talimena Drive which

516
00:28:39,119 --> 00:28:36,549
is an one of the most beautiful scenic

517
00:28:42,539 --> 00:28:39,129
drives in the country it's very well

518
00:28:46,169 --> 00:28:42,549
known and but we were off in the boonies

519
00:28:47,789 --> 00:28:46,179
in a cabin and it was just crazy so we

520
00:28:51,570 --> 00:28:47,799
were out there crunching around in the

521
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:51,580
ice there was an ice storm and we stayed

522
00:29:00,180 --> 00:28:56,080
out all night one night down in Foggy

523
00:29:01,739 --> 00:29:00,190
Bottom on Grand Lake looking for Bigfoot

524
00:29:04,499 --> 00:29:01,749
where there had been some sightings a

525
00:29:07,799 --> 00:29:04,509
couple of police officers had had

526
00:29:10,769 --> 00:29:07,809
sightings down there and we included

527
00:29:12,930 --> 00:29:10,779
them in our in our documentary but it

528
00:29:15,359 --> 00:29:12,940
was very very cold but you're right we

529
00:29:18,090 --> 00:29:15,369
could see further because there wasn't

530
00:29:20,009 --> 00:29:18,100
the in the foliage that you would have

531
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:20,019
even though it's absolutely gorgeous and

532
00:29:23,009 --> 00:29:21,850
fall is the time you kind of want to go

533
00:29:25,249 --> 00:29:23,019
through if you're just going for the

534
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:25,259
scenery because it's it's just

535
00:29:33,799 --> 00:29:28,330
absolutely amazing and they're all these

536
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:33,809
lookouts there and even those Ranger

537
00:29:39,479 --> 00:29:37,450
towers that you can climb and really

538
00:29:42,499 --> 00:29:39,489
really get a panoramic view and it's

539
00:29:44,489 --> 00:29:42,509
it's it's really breathtaking it is

540
00:29:48,450 --> 00:29:44,499
there's no doubt about it

541
00:29:54,659 --> 00:29:48,460
we also investigated a big Bigfoot case

542
00:29:59,789 --> 00:29:54,669
in Poteau oh yeah it really wasn't far

543
00:30:01,320 --> 00:29:59,799
from where the rune stones are yeah 20

544
00:30:02,910 --> 00:30:01,330
miles or something like that I think pod

545
00:30:05,850 --> 00:30:02,920
was in we were on

546
00:30:09,780 --> 00:30:05,860
the same county Leflore County now we

547
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:09,790
were over on tram Ridge Road and these

548
00:30:15,780 --> 00:30:12,850
people got to have a cabin that's kind

549
00:30:18,690 --> 00:30:15,790
of up on the up the hill from where the

550
00:30:21,930 --> 00:30:18,700
highway is and we went up there and

551
00:30:26,550 --> 00:30:21,940
camped overnight but and we heard house

552
00:30:29,250 --> 00:30:26,560
down in the valley but didn't see any

553
00:30:31,740 --> 00:30:29,260
footprints we did cast a print we look

554
00:30:34,950 --> 00:30:31,750
we found a print and it looked like a

555
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:34,960
big cat print and we're going like Oh is

556
00:30:41,700 --> 00:30:38,890
there big cats here in Oklahoma and it's

557
00:30:45,530 --> 00:30:41,710
it was probably the size that a Puma

558
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:45,540
would make but supposedly there are no

559
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:48,250
big cats like that in Oklahoma there's

560
00:30:55,770 --> 00:30:52,330
there's now the reportedly the Black

561
00:30:58,830 --> 00:30:55,780
Panther the Panther that's really bad we

562
00:31:01,320 --> 00:30:58,840
did hear about even when I was a kid and

563
00:31:05,610 --> 00:31:01,330
in fact the our school mascot was the

564
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:05,620
Panther stickler Panthers and people

565
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:08,650
always would tell stories about Panthers

566
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:11,410
seeing Panthers even way way back then I

567
00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:12,610
won't tell you how many years ago that

568
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:14,320
was but you know what it's time for us

569
00:31:18,780 --> 00:31:16,810
to take a quick break and when we come

570
00:31:21,780 --> 00:31:18,790
back we're gonna hear more from Maryland

571
00:31:25,070 --> 00:31:21,790
and dick Carlson and strange Oklahoma

572
00:31:29,370 --> 00:31:27,750
welcome back to night vision I'm your

573
00:31:32,070 --> 00:31:29,380
host Renee Barnett if you're just

574
00:31:35,180 --> 00:31:32,080
joining us we're talking tonight with

575
00:31:38,190 --> 00:31:35,190
dick and Marilyn Carlson they are

576
00:31:42,300 --> 00:31:38,200
paranormal investigators from Oklahoma

577
00:31:44,910 --> 00:31:42,310
and their website is UFO paranormal team

578
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:44,920
comm and they have a few of their cases

579
00:31:48,140 --> 00:31:46,810
up there if you want to take a look and

580
00:31:51,210 --> 00:31:48,150
see what kind of work that they're doing

581
00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:51,220
we've been talking about their latest

582
00:31:55,580 --> 00:31:53,440
investigation okay keep your eyes closed

583
00:31:59,070 --> 00:31:55,590
okay I want to show you my first ever

584
00:32:04,140 --> 00:31:59,080
painting all right okay open your eyes

585
00:32:07,290 --> 00:32:04,150
oh that's a lot of colors and shades so

586
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:07,300
be honest what do you think well I like

587
00:32:10,740 --> 00:32:09,610
how if you switch to Geico you could

588
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:10,750
save hundreds of dollars on car

589
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:11,290
insurance

590
00:32:16,259 --> 00:32:14,530
oh yeah that's that's true yeah here why

591
00:32:18,749 --> 00:32:16,269
don't I hold your paper

592
00:32:21,089 --> 00:32:18,759
while you call them Geico because saving

593
00:32:23,609 --> 00:32:21,099
15% or more on car insurance is always a

594
00:32:25,769 --> 00:32:23,619
great answer to the Dogman down in

595
00:32:28,229 --> 00:32:25,779
southeastern oklahoma we've been talking

596
00:32:31,589 --> 00:32:28,239
about Bigfoot and other creatures down

597
00:32:34,139 --> 00:32:31,599
in that same region and while we were on

598
00:32:37,169 --> 00:32:34,149
break they were telling me a very weird

599
00:32:40,769 --> 00:32:37,179
story that out of Oklahoma City which is

600
00:32:42,299 --> 00:32:40,779
amazing to me that even though it wasn't

601
00:32:45,719 --> 00:32:42,309
in the heart of downtown

602
00:32:48,180 --> 00:32:45,729
it still is amazing that in that kind of

603
00:32:50,879 --> 00:32:48,190
a populated area where there are

604
00:32:52,529 --> 00:32:50,889
businesses and residences and other

605
00:32:55,079 --> 00:32:52,539
things that something like this could

606
00:32:56,459 --> 00:32:55,089
happen so who wants to go dick you want

607
00:32:59,219 --> 00:32:56,469
to tell the story you want Maryland to

608
00:33:03,839 --> 00:32:59,229
what tell us about the lady early in the

609
00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:03,849
morning alcohol the city like I say this

610
00:33:10,139 --> 00:33:08,320
was a year wasn't forgot you know I

611
00:33:14,699 --> 00:33:10,149
can't remember the year it was probably

612
00:33:18,810 --> 00:33:14,709
about five years ago that we yeah we

613
00:33:22,649 --> 00:33:18,820
investigated this so you can yeah this

614
00:33:26,489 --> 00:33:22,659
happened in 2014 and her sighting was on

615
00:33:28,169 --> 00:33:26,499
December the 6th she was was a five

616
00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:28,179
o'clock in the morning and she was on

617
00:33:36,060 --> 00:33:31,919
her way to work over at Hobby Lobby and

618
00:33:37,979 --> 00:33:36,070
this thing came up out of from culvert

619
00:33:39,810 --> 00:33:37,989
yeah it looked like a culvert well we

620
00:33:42,899 --> 00:33:39,820
went back out and investigated it is a

621
00:33:45,629 --> 00:33:42,909
culvert and it came up and she slowed

622
00:33:47,849 --> 00:33:45,639
down the car and stopped and it just

623
00:33:49,889 --> 00:33:47,859
kind of walked its way right across in

624
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:49,899
front of her and went down the other

625
00:33:57,389 --> 00:33:52,690
side which of course there's a the other

626
00:34:02,009 --> 00:33:57,399
side of the culvert and how did she

627
00:34:07,309 --> 00:34:02,019
describe it let me let me actually bring

628
00:34:13,649 --> 00:34:11,399
East and about 1/10 1/10 mile west of

629
00:34:15,659 --> 00:34:13,659
Council Road so anybody knows Oklahoma

630
00:34:17,339 --> 00:34:15,669
City knows where that is she saw an

631
00:34:20,039 --> 00:34:17,349
animal come up the bank and start to

632
00:34:22,079 --> 00:34:20,049
walk down onto the road she slows that

633
00:34:23,849 --> 00:34:22,089
she would not hit it and it continued to

634
00:34:26,669 --> 00:34:23,859
cross and her headlights she saw the

635
00:34:29,039 --> 00:34:26,679
creature walk on two legs the thighs and

636
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:29,049
hips were very muscular they had a long

637
00:34:31,620 --> 00:34:29,530
tail

638
00:34:34,350 --> 00:34:31,630
with a large base the tapered like a

639
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:34,360
whip its swished it like it was angry

640
00:34:39,180 --> 00:34:36,850
similar to how a cat will swishes tail

641
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:39,190
what it does not does not like something

642
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:42,610
have a small head and ears very large

643
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:45,970
eyes skin was white tan could not see

644
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:48,490
any hair and look more lizard like but

645
00:34:52,740 --> 00:34:50,890
was shiny in the headlight seemed to be

646
00:34:55,220 --> 00:34:52,750
intelligent as it stopped at the curb

647
00:34:58,020 --> 00:34:55,230
and then when I stopped it came across

648
00:35:00,360 --> 00:34:58,030
leisurely at a leisurely pace not really

649
00:35:02,130 --> 00:35:00,370
in any hurry temperature had been warm

650
00:35:04,650 --> 00:35:02,140
for several days prior to the sighting

651
00:35:08,970 --> 00:35:04,660
in December sixth was a full moon with

652
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:08,980
no overcast we love people that you know

653
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:11,050
give us this kind of information Wow

654
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:13,330
although the time between a sighting and

655
00:35:17,820 --> 00:35:15,610
the report was 21 days Dickon Maryland

656
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:17,830
investigated the area where the scien

657
00:35:26,630 --> 00:35:21,490
occurred and up on our website you'll

658
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:26,640
see it's called the did I call it

659
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:32,290
Krypton Oklahoma City ah ok so when we

660
00:35:39,210 --> 00:35:36,370
got there it was already been days the

661
00:35:41,250 --> 00:35:39,220
covert I went down and actually looked

662
00:35:45,210 --> 00:35:41,260
into the cover looking for footprints

663
00:35:46,650 --> 00:35:45,220
and didn't see any of course it was kind

664
00:35:48,900 --> 00:35:46,660
of cold when we were there because the

665
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:48,910
little creature wants to there had ice

666
00:35:56,540 --> 00:35:54,010
on it and then there's also a settling

667
00:35:59,610 --> 00:35:56,550
pond it was right be just east of it

668
00:36:01,050 --> 00:35:59,620
right in the same area so we went all

669
00:36:02,580 --> 00:36:01,060
through that looking to see if we could

670
00:36:05,220 --> 00:36:02,590
find any kind of footprints or anything

671
00:36:09,240 --> 00:36:05,230
I only found out prints yeah as always

672
00:36:11,190 --> 00:36:09,250
found was some dog prints and then the

673
00:36:14,130 --> 00:36:11,200
covert was fairly new so I mean you know

674
00:36:17,130 --> 00:36:14,140
as a concrete covert and so had you know

675
00:36:20,700 --> 00:36:17,140
some mud at the bottom of it but it was

676
00:36:22,350 --> 00:36:20,710
just just too late to yeah we would have

677
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:22,360
liked to have gotten out there right

678
00:36:28,770 --> 00:36:26,490
away and looked for footprints to see if

679
00:36:31,170 --> 00:36:28,780
you know what kind of prints that we

680
00:36:34,860 --> 00:36:31,180
would have found but sometimes people

681
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:34,870
are nervous about reporting strange

682
00:36:39,060 --> 00:36:36,850
cases like that

683
00:36:42,510 --> 00:36:39,070
and she she was afraid we were gonna

684
00:36:44,029 --> 00:36:42,520
judge her as being probably crazy and of

685
00:36:46,799 --> 00:36:44,039
course

686
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:46,809
look at you know working at Hobby Lobby

687
00:36:54,059 --> 00:36:51,010
she's probably every time you know you

688
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:54,069
know a conservative yeah somebody could

689
00:36:58,440 --> 00:36:55,690
have thought it was a demon or something

690
00:37:00,059 --> 00:36:58,450
yeah well yeah and you know and her

691
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:00,069
coming forward probably took a little

692
00:37:05,490 --> 00:37:02,410
bit of quite a bit of willpower to do it

693
00:37:13,170 --> 00:37:05,500
yeah and how did she find you guys I

694
00:37:15,779 --> 00:37:13,180
mean who website UFO Oklahoma paranormal

695
00:37:19,140 --> 00:37:15,789
where we're right there so yeah our

696
00:37:21,299 --> 00:37:19,150
website is UFO paranormal team comm so

697
00:37:24,839 --> 00:37:21,309
yeah that's right yellow paranormal team

698
00:37:26,460 --> 00:37:24,849
comm but she was actually going in

699
00:37:29,220 --> 00:37:26,470
search of someone that could help her

700
00:37:31,470 --> 00:37:29,230
explain what happened right she she had

701
00:37:35,970 --> 00:37:31,480
a lot of questions and [\h__\h] it just

702
00:37:37,890 --> 00:37:35,980
bugged her yeah we talked to her for

703
00:37:40,259 --> 00:37:37,900
quite a while we met her out there and

704
00:37:46,170 --> 00:37:40,269
she explained you know what she had gone

705
00:37:47,999 --> 00:37:46,180
through and you know telling anybody and

706
00:37:50,069 --> 00:37:48,009
then you know it was probably bugged her

707
00:37:53,089 --> 00:37:50,079
so much that she had to find out more

708
00:37:56,670 --> 00:37:53,099
and you know that's what I would

709
00:37:59,099 --> 00:37:56,680
probably be thinking now me because I

710
00:38:02,579 --> 00:37:59,109
you know in you who've been steeped in

711
00:38:04,470 --> 00:38:02,589
this material so much we'd probably you

712
00:38:06,029 --> 00:38:04,480
know certainly investigate right away or

713
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:06,039
call the right person to do the

714
00:38:10,170 --> 00:38:08,170
investigation but you know the average

715
00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:10,180
person out there they probably don't

716
00:38:16,019 --> 00:38:12,730
have a paranormal investigator on speed

717
00:38:17,519 --> 00:38:16,029
dial you know so they have to go looking

718
00:38:20,309 --> 00:38:17,529
and then they have to kind of come to

719
00:38:23,370 --> 00:38:20,319
grips with what's happened to themselves

720
00:38:29,009 --> 00:38:23,380
but it can because it can be very very

721
00:38:30,990 --> 00:38:29,019
crazy but now down you know yeah very

722
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:31,000
credible witness we must believe would

723
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:35,890
she would she saw you know when you meet

724
00:38:41,190 --> 00:38:37,930
these people you know that's what I

725
00:38:44,490 --> 00:38:41,200
found you know with a lot of people and

726
00:38:47,190 --> 00:38:44,500
we interview people that were from every

727
00:38:50,339 --> 00:38:47,200
walk of life we had truck Tartars we had

728
00:38:55,099 --> 00:38:50,349
nurses we had teachers we had bankers

729
00:38:57,299 --> 00:38:55,109
these people were all you know close-up

730
00:39:02,280 --> 00:38:57,309
witnesses to

731
00:39:06,510 --> 00:39:02,290
a creature and I mean they had thing to

732
00:39:09,210 --> 00:39:06,520
gain yeah there was one one gentleman

733
00:39:14,849 --> 00:39:09,220
that was a teacher in a track coach in

734
00:39:17,490 --> 00:39:14,859
Broken Bow and he said that he had had

735
00:39:19,410 --> 00:39:17,500
so much grief you know from his friends

736
00:39:22,230 --> 00:39:19,420
about this Bigfoot sighting that he had

737
00:39:25,710 --> 00:39:22,240
that he just didn't want to do anything

738
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:25,720
I talked to that guy for months and

739
00:39:29,970 --> 00:39:27,970
finally got him to let us just come and

740
00:39:32,609 --> 00:39:29,980
see him and then I finally got him to

741
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:32,619
let us interview him on camera and

742
00:39:39,809 --> 00:39:35,290
there's no way this guy was making up

743
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:39,819
the story just no way and I remember he

744
00:39:43,410 --> 00:39:41,290
had an experience he was out in the

745
00:39:45,450 --> 00:39:43,420
woods and he was you know hunting he had

746
00:39:46,770 --> 00:39:45,460
his rifle and he was you know down

747
00:39:50,819 --> 00:39:46,780
looking over it you know he was in a

748
00:39:52,620 --> 00:39:50,829
blind looking out one way and he he

749
00:39:54,630 --> 00:39:52,630
heard something he turned around and

750
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:54,640
there was this creature standing right

751
00:39:59,040 --> 00:39:56,050
behind him and he said he was face to

752
00:40:00,960 --> 00:39:59,050
face with him and he said I could have

753
00:40:01,710 --> 00:40:00,970
shot him I could have killed him right

754
00:40:05,069 --> 00:40:01,720
there

755
00:40:08,099 --> 00:40:05,079
he said but I didn't and I said why and

756
00:40:11,039 --> 00:40:08,109
he said because I realized that he could

757
00:40:13,859 --> 00:40:11,049
have killed me so easy he came up behind

758
00:40:16,620 --> 00:40:13,869
me he could have killed me easy and he

759
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:16,630
didn't and he said I couldn't shoot him

760
00:40:21,510 --> 00:40:19,210
and I said well tell me when you were

761
00:40:24,299 --> 00:40:21,520
looking at him were you looking at an

762
00:40:28,049 --> 00:40:24,309
animal or were you looking at a person

763
00:40:31,950 --> 00:40:28,059
and he said I was looking at a person

764
00:40:36,049 --> 00:40:31,960
you know can sort of said the same thing

765
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:36,059
about his Bigfoot experience in in

766
00:40:42,750 --> 00:40:39,970
Pennsylvania he said it could have been

767
00:40:44,730 --> 00:40:42,760
a man you know that I was looking at

768
00:40:47,900 --> 00:40:44,740
except that it had hair all over its

769
00:40:49,950 --> 00:40:47,910
body and that way it was very powerful

770
00:40:51,630 --> 00:40:49,960
strength looked like it had a lot of

771
00:40:56,460 --> 00:40:51,640
strength it was carrying a deer on its

772
00:40:58,289 --> 00:40:56,470
back and when he saw can he turned and

773
00:41:01,170 --> 00:40:58,299
ran down the middle of the creek and

774
00:41:04,829 --> 00:41:01,180
along with probably the deer weighed

775
00:41:06,450 --> 00:41:04,839
maybe 75 80 pounds so that's no

776
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:06,460
lightweight thing to be carrying on your

777
00:41:16,110 --> 00:41:10,570
back and running down the creek yeah

778
00:41:18,830 --> 00:41:16,120
young-shin no I asked Kenneth what would

779
00:41:22,130 --> 00:41:18,840
you do if he start

780
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:22,140
exactly exactly

781
00:41:29,460 --> 00:41:25,090
all this Bigfoot wanted to do was get

782
00:41:32,070 --> 00:41:29,470
away from Kim and the you know he was

783
00:41:36,240 --> 00:41:32,080
just just a surprise to see Ken as Ken

784
00:41:38,970 --> 00:41:36,250
was to see yeah so you know it was just

785
00:41:41,790 --> 00:41:38,980
one of those happenstance things that he

786
00:41:46,500 --> 00:41:41,800
was down at the creek bent over looking

787
00:41:49,710 --> 00:41:46,510
for crayfish and ken came down the road

788
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:49,720
and there was tall tall grass there and

789
00:41:55,530 --> 00:41:52,570
Bigfoot raised up and when he did they

790
00:42:00,060 --> 00:41:55,540
were practically face-to-face so he was

791
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:00,070
probably within 30 feet of him now so we

792
00:42:04,620 --> 00:42:02,530
you know we poured which we just got

793
00:42:06,270 --> 00:42:04,630
through that afternoon and it had snowed

794
00:42:08,910 --> 00:42:06,280
the night before so it was kind of cold

795
00:42:12,300 --> 00:42:08,920
by the time we actually got down to Ken

796
00:42:13,970 --> 00:42:12,310
with the casting material it was

797
00:42:18,180 --> 00:42:13,980
actually starting to get dark and this

798
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:18,190
this is a limestone quarry well I mean

799
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:19,450
it's a quarry there but it's a limestone

800
00:42:24,350 --> 00:42:22,330
Creek and opens there's cliffs that are

801
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:24,360
about a hundred foot high on both sides

802
00:42:30,300 --> 00:42:26,890
it's called narrows Creek for a reason

803
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:30,310
because it is narrow oh I heard Lee

804
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:33,130
toward the casting oh can we better get

805
00:42:37,260 --> 00:42:35,290
out of here so the next morning we went

806
00:42:40,620 --> 00:42:37,270
down this time I brought the FLIR with

807
00:42:42,330 --> 00:42:40,630
me and got the cast we weren't able to

808
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:42,340
take your pull the Cousy in that night

809
00:42:52,350 --> 00:42:46,450
because it was sure it was wet so bill

810
00:42:55,380 --> 00:42:52,360
may can me yeah yeah oh no Mike was the

811
00:42:58,110 --> 00:42:55,390
Michael came down so anyway I had the

812
00:43:00,780 --> 00:42:58,120
flare with me so we pulled the casting

813
00:43:02,730 --> 00:43:00,790
cleaned it up and pretty good casting

814
00:43:05,580 --> 00:43:02,740
John so then we started looking around

815
00:43:07,860 --> 00:43:05,590
for hair and broken bushes and grass

816
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:07,870
that was bent and everything else and we

817
00:43:14,940 --> 00:43:12,690
kind of separated out and also to me

818
00:43:16,470 --> 00:43:14,950
even though I had to flirt with me and I

819
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:16,480
kind of looked yeah you're talking about

820
00:43:24,539 --> 00:43:21,850
a flare camera yes okay so that's there

821
00:43:28,079 --> 00:43:24,549
was a warm body there

822
00:43:30,299 --> 00:43:28,089
but you know I was there Oh presents

823
00:43:32,219 --> 00:43:30,309
good all by myself and a little bit of

824
00:43:36,479 --> 00:43:32,229
fear came in to me like somebody was

825
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:36,489
watching me no I couldn't see anything

826
00:43:43,319 --> 00:43:41,170
with the FLIR right just let me explain

827
00:43:46,319 --> 00:43:43,329
this dick is not the kind of person that

828
00:43:50,130 --> 00:43:46,329
he gets spooked real easy like that and

829
00:43:53,729 --> 00:43:50,140
so I think his his gut instinct was that

830
00:43:55,199 --> 00:43:53,739
he really was being watched so I'm a

831
00:44:00,269 --> 00:43:55,209
hair standing up on the back of your

832
00:44:03,839 --> 00:44:00,279
neck kind of yes yeah yeah I mean to me

833
00:44:07,499 --> 00:44:03,849
the woods are scary scarier than

834
00:44:09,870 --> 00:44:07,509
anything or being way out I mean I'd

835
00:44:13,019 --> 00:44:09,880
rather fight my way through Los Angeles

836
00:44:16,469 --> 00:44:13,029
you know the worst be out in the woods

837
00:44:20,339 --> 00:44:16,479
by myself I tell you and one night we

838
00:44:21,749 --> 00:44:20,349
had just finished our our production we

839
00:44:24,809 --> 00:44:21,759
just finished filming our whole

840
00:44:29,009 --> 00:44:24,819
documentary the Bigfoot documentary my

841
00:44:31,380 --> 00:44:29,019
business partner who was a British film

842
00:44:35,819 --> 00:44:31,390
director and our crew was all from Great

843
00:44:38,539 --> 00:44:35,829
Britain they all took off and I headed

844
00:44:42,150 --> 00:44:38,549
out we had left my car over in Ada and

845
00:44:45,029 --> 00:44:42,160
went picked up my car and it was late at

846
00:44:47,579 --> 00:44:45,039
night it was around midnight and I was

847
00:44:50,099 --> 00:44:47,589
headed and I okay it's really too late

848
00:44:53,519 --> 00:44:50,109
to pop in on my parents who were about

849
00:44:55,890 --> 00:44:53,529
you know maybe an hour away and I was

850
00:44:59,400 --> 00:44:55,900
thinking oh should I go here go there so

851
00:45:01,880 --> 00:44:59,410
I said no I'm just gonna go you know to

852
00:45:05,370 --> 00:45:01,890
the like the nearest town and and get

853
00:45:07,769 --> 00:45:05,380
get a motel room for the night and I was

854
00:45:11,489 --> 00:45:07,779
driving along that road and it was so

855
00:45:14,609 --> 00:45:11,499
dark and there were no other cars and

856
00:45:16,949 --> 00:45:14,619
all of a sudden a car pulled out just as

857
00:45:20,819 --> 00:45:16,959
I was passing by from a little dirt road

858
00:45:23,069 --> 00:45:20,829
and just tailed me and it was just you

859
00:45:26,069 --> 00:45:23,079
we're going on this curvy road it was a

860
00:45:30,029 --> 00:45:26,079
dark dark night and I got so scared and

861
00:45:33,779 --> 00:45:30,039
I thought man I'd rather be in LA you

862
00:45:36,989 --> 00:45:33,789
know whatever at least I could see them

863
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:36,999
you know but it can be very very scary

864
00:45:39,630 --> 00:45:37,930
out there tour core

865
00:45:42,210 --> 00:45:39,640
you know we just been out there with all

866
00:45:45,900 --> 00:45:42,220
kinds of creatures and everything else

867
00:45:47,940 --> 00:45:45,910
it was already on my mind some of those

868
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:47,950
roads and Oklahoma really don't have

869
00:45:53,690 --> 00:45:50,290
good places to really pull off the road

870
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:53,700
because you got the ditch and yeah and

871
00:46:00,109 --> 00:45:56,770
the only turn offs are to go down a

872
00:46:02,990 --> 00:46:00,119
farmer's Lane or you know and there's

873
00:46:08,609 --> 00:46:03,000
there far and few between in some places

874
00:46:12,740 --> 00:46:08,619
so you continue on with by 16 we should

875
00:46:15,839 --> 00:46:12,750
finish what what there the next year

876
00:46:17,430 --> 00:46:15,849
because of what you know the experience

877
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:17,440
we had you know five 16 a little bit

878
00:46:25,589 --> 00:46:19,690
everything had UFOs it had you know

879
00:46:27,299 --> 00:46:25,599
Bigfoot and had it was that has a Indian

880
00:46:28,650 --> 00:46:27,309
burial ground right there right on the

881
00:46:31,370 --> 00:46:28,660
property so it had all these things

882
00:46:33,660 --> 00:46:31,380
there anyway we went back the next year

883
00:46:35,970 --> 00:46:33,670
unfortunately Kim couldn't make it but

884
00:46:40,099 --> 00:46:35,980
this time we brought in we bought some

885
00:46:43,349 --> 00:46:40,109
meat we brought crawfish oil because the

886
00:46:45,450 --> 00:46:43,359
creature had crawfish in his mouth and

887
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:45,460
then honeysuckle we brought some

888
00:46:50,549 --> 00:46:47,890
honeysuckle candles Julia so we said

889
00:46:52,530 --> 00:46:50,559
well we're gonna bake this thing well we

890
00:46:54,690 --> 00:46:52,540
we knew where the you know where we did

891
00:46:58,440 --> 00:46:54,700
the casting and we knew pretty much work

892
00:47:00,690 --> 00:46:58,450
inside so and my son was with me and so

893
00:47:05,460 --> 00:47:00,700
we went down and we hung you know some

894
00:47:07,710 --> 00:47:05,470
ribs or some meat up on the trees and we

895
00:47:10,049 --> 00:47:07,720
put out the crawfish oil and then we put

896
00:47:13,380 --> 00:47:10,059
out the game camera and all that sort of

897
00:47:15,690 --> 00:47:13,390
thing and the game camera and the next

898
00:47:18,870 --> 00:47:15,700
day we went down to got it and it had

899
00:47:20,490 --> 00:47:18,880
deer it had crows trying to figure out

900
00:47:23,390 --> 00:47:20,500
how to get the meat out of the trees

901
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:23,400
that there was no Bigfoot

902
00:47:28,380 --> 00:47:26,170
so then we move further up Narrows Creek

903
00:47:32,299 --> 00:47:28,390
and kind of set it up again again all we

904
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:32,309
had was nothing rose watching to meet

905
00:47:37,500 --> 00:47:35,890
our sunset up down and what they the

906
00:47:44,430 --> 00:47:37,510
family called the campground and they

907
00:47:46,770 --> 00:47:44,440
have like a one-sided shed that they use

908
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:46,780
they have a table in there and they used

909
00:47:51,720 --> 00:47:49,930
it for doing family picnics and stuff

910
00:47:54,210 --> 00:47:51,730
our sons went

911
00:47:57,240 --> 00:47:54,220
there that night and he threw out his

912
00:48:01,380 --> 00:47:57,250
sleeping bag and he was laying down in

913
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:01,390
underneath that the the roof part I know

914
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:04,930
I know but he did and something started

915
00:48:12,780 --> 00:48:08,290
throwing dirt clods at the backside of

916
00:48:14,970 --> 00:48:12,790
that that building oh he called us and

917
00:48:16,770 --> 00:48:14,980
when we went and investigated not only

918
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:16,780
did they had they broken off sticks and

919
00:48:21,810 --> 00:48:19,450
threw but there were big clumps of dirt

920
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:21,820
clods that they had thrown at the

921
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:24,970
backside of the building so something

922
00:48:30,870 --> 00:48:28,570
was there you know that's what drew us

923
00:48:33,690 --> 00:48:30,880
down to that area in the very first

924
00:48:36,270 --> 00:48:33,700
place for the documentary because the

925
00:48:39,780 --> 00:48:36,280
very first story we heard was from these

926
00:48:42,990 --> 00:48:39,790
guys out of town Nina and they lived

927
00:48:44,790 --> 00:48:43,000
outside out in the country and there

928
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:44,800
they were saying that these Bigfoot

929
00:48:49,950 --> 00:48:46,960
creatures were coming in throwing rocks

930
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:49,960
at their house I'm scaring their dogs

931
00:48:55,980 --> 00:48:53,490
and you know all kinds of things and

932
00:48:59,640 --> 00:48:55,990
it's funny because this is not the first

933
00:49:02,010 --> 00:48:59,650
and that wasn't the only time that I've

934
00:49:04,230 --> 00:49:02,020
also heard that they throw stuff at you

935
00:49:07,380 --> 00:49:04,240
it's like they I don't know if they're

936
00:49:10,290 --> 00:49:07,390
trying to scare you away or if they're

937
00:49:11,670 --> 00:49:10,300
just playing I don't think they're

938
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:11,680
playing I think they're trying to say

939
00:49:18,540 --> 00:49:13,570
get out of my territory they probably

940
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:18,550
are but I tell you I did speak with some

941
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:22,930
people in fact it was a nurse in in Ada

942
00:49:28,070 --> 00:49:25,930
and we interviewed her right there at

943
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:28,080
the hospital on the hospital grounds and

944
00:49:33,330 --> 00:49:31,210
she talked about how you know she grew

945
00:49:36,510 --> 00:49:33,340
up in the woods and a cabin in the woods

946
00:49:38,580 --> 00:49:36,520
and she said that they used to play with

947
00:49:38,970 --> 00:49:38,590
she said we used to play with the little

948
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:38,980
ones

949
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:44,170
yeah yeah yeah I have to get your copy

950
00:49:47,250 --> 00:49:45,970
of that documentary Marilyn so you can

951
00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:47,260
see the people that we talked to it

952
00:49:51,720 --> 00:49:48,250
could be somebody you might want to

953
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:51,730
follow up with I would love to to see it

954
00:49:58,470 --> 00:49:55,210
so yeah I'll burn you a copy yeah we we

955
00:50:01,470 --> 00:49:58,480
went over to Lake Stanley Draper bill

956
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:01,480
and Julie were out there with their dogs

957
00:50:12,029 --> 00:50:05,650
and they found we're sad um it's

958
00:50:19,890 --> 00:50:12,039
up by Norman Owen okay yeah but not not

959
00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:19,900
that far yeah it's yeah right

960
00:50:31,019 --> 00:50:27,520
just Lots smaller yeah same and they

961
00:50:32,940 --> 00:50:31,029
they had found these footprints looked

962
00:50:35,579 --> 00:50:32,950
like barefoot and they weren't sure if

963
00:50:38,190 --> 00:50:35,589
they had a big foot so they called us

964
00:50:40,019 --> 00:50:38,200
and we went out there and we went looked

965
00:50:42,269 --> 00:50:40,029
everywhere around the area where the

966
00:50:45,210 --> 00:50:42,279
footprints were and there were just a

967
00:50:47,819 --> 00:50:45,220
few prints of of Rights right foot left

968
00:50:52,140 --> 00:50:47,829
foot right foot left foot and then they

969
00:50:54,510 --> 00:50:52,150
just sort of there wasn't any and we

970
00:50:57,359 --> 00:50:54,520
couldn't see where they came off the

971
00:51:01,980 --> 00:50:57,369
lake like somebody beached a boat and

972
00:51:05,339 --> 00:51:01,990
you know walked along the road but we

973
00:51:08,609 --> 00:51:05,349
casted the prints but in further further

974
00:51:12,809 --> 00:51:08,619
study and looking at them the little toe

975
00:51:15,299 --> 00:51:12,819
curved in on it which is human so they

976
00:51:17,819 --> 00:51:15,309
they were shoes yeah if you're it's from

977
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:17,829
wearing shoes that causes the little toe

978
00:51:25,069 --> 00:51:20,170
to Kirby and a little bit with big foot

979
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:25,079
the toes kind of spread out some and so

980
00:51:30,450 --> 00:51:28,690
anyway hmm it turned out not to be

981
00:51:33,180 --> 00:51:30,460
Bigfoot so that's one of the cases that

982
00:51:35,309 --> 00:51:33,190
we went on where it wasn't what we

983
00:51:37,980 --> 00:51:35,319
thought it was it was interesting

984
00:51:40,529 --> 00:51:37,990
because I mean it was folklore about

985
00:51:44,730 --> 00:51:40,539
what two or three miles in there yeah it

986
00:51:46,740 --> 00:51:44,740
was aways walking barefoot yeah I would

987
00:51:54,029 --> 00:51:46,750
have been walking barefoot I mean it

988
00:51:57,450 --> 00:51:54,039
wasn't a running stride yeah hmm really

989
00:52:00,870 --> 00:51:57,460
interesting stuff now you know there was

990
00:52:02,789 --> 00:52:00,880
a case in western Oklahoma

991
00:52:04,490 --> 00:52:02,799
I think west of Oklahoma City and I'm

992
00:52:07,170 --> 00:52:04,500
trying to remember the name of the town

993
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:07,180
it might come to me but lucky Star

994
00:52:14,069 --> 00:52:10,210
Casino does that to you there's a

995
00:52:16,349 --> 00:52:14,079
Bigfoot case out there now I remember

996
00:52:17,819 --> 00:52:16,359
there was a story about a Bigfoot you

997
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:17,829
know coming and getting into the grease

998
00:52:20,820 --> 00:52:18,370
bin

999
00:52:23,340 --> 00:52:20,830
behind the restaurant at the casino and

1000
00:52:28,020 --> 00:52:23,350
there was some there was some CCTV

1001
00:52:31,050 --> 00:52:28,030
footage that captured it then somehow

1002
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:31,060
the footage got confiscated somebody

1003
00:52:36,300 --> 00:52:33,130
said it got accidentally erased at the

1004
00:52:39,990 --> 00:52:36,310
police department I'll tell you what you

1005
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:40,000
know and our our research on this they

1006
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:42,130
actually because they don't want anybody

1007
00:52:46,290 --> 00:52:44,170
out there looking for Bigfoot and

1008
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:46,300
disturbing Bigfoot they have great

1009
00:52:51,990 --> 00:52:48,370
respect as you know the Native Americans

1010
00:52:54,930 --> 00:52:52,000
have great respect for Bigfoot and they

1011
00:52:57,300 --> 00:52:54,940
don't want him disturbed and people out

1012
00:53:00,330 --> 00:52:57,310
there poking around and looking for him

1013
00:53:01,890 --> 00:53:00,340
so they announced that the tape got

1014
00:53:06,570 --> 00:53:01,900
erased and they don't have it anymore

1015
00:53:10,260 --> 00:53:06,580
and they really do have it they actually

1016
00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:10,270
have still have a copy of it and but

1017
00:53:15,210 --> 00:53:12,250
that you know they don't want people out

1018
00:53:19,010 --> 00:53:15,220
there looking you know so we just

1019
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:19,020
recently were out there at the casino so

1020
00:53:27,260 --> 00:53:23,010
but we've never seen anything unusual

1021
00:53:30,390 --> 00:53:27,270
the casino sits up on on on the top of

1022
00:53:33,590 --> 00:53:30,400
the big hill kind of rich kind of thing

1023
00:53:37,380 --> 00:53:33,600
and the wind isn't it on tribal land

1024
00:53:39,660 --> 00:53:37,390
what's that isn't it on tribal land yes

1025
00:53:43,530 --> 00:53:39,670
it is it is and the wind just blows

1026
00:53:46,410 --> 00:53:43,540
there continuously no to my recollection

1027
00:53:50,100 --> 00:53:46,420
there's like one of those old abandoned

1028
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:50,110
Indian Residential schools there is near

1029
00:53:59,100 --> 00:53:55,890
that that's extremely haunted yes yes

1030
00:54:01,520 --> 00:53:59,110
yes yeah it's over the hill from where

1031
00:54:05,700 --> 00:54:01,530
the casino is Wow

1032
00:54:08,670 --> 00:54:05,710
Wow now somebody just in the chat room

1033
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:08,680
interestingly just brought up the boggy

1034
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:10,690
creek story which I had forgotten about

1035
00:54:17,130 --> 00:54:14,890
but the old movie from the seventies

1036
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:17,140
Legend of Boggy Creek where they told

1037
00:54:22,370 --> 00:54:19,930
the story of this guy named smokey

1038
00:54:25,790 --> 00:54:22,380
Crabtree who had discovered this

1039
00:54:31,170 --> 00:54:25,800
supposed creature and he had its body

1040
00:54:32,130 --> 00:54:31,180
and they used actual people residents of

1041
00:54:35,910 --> 00:54:32,140
that area near

1042
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:35,920
broken bow to be in the film it was a

1043
00:54:42,470 --> 00:54:38,890
horrible film but it was sort of like a

1044
00:54:46,380 --> 00:54:42,480
cult classic and interestingly we were

1045
00:54:48,870 --> 00:54:46,390
doing a Bigfoot bill we went and met up

1046
00:54:51,150 --> 00:54:48,880
with smokey Crabtree and his wife who he

1047
00:54:54,030 --> 00:54:51,160
called bandit so Smokey and the Bandit

1048
00:54:56,250 --> 00:54:54,040
and went out to dinner with them and

1049
00:54:57,660 --> 00:54:56,260
everything maybe had some good rapport

1050
00:55:02,220 --> 00:54:57,670
with them and he claimed that he had

1051
00:55:05,460 --> 00:55:02,230
this big creature corpse in his garage

1052
00:55:07,230 --> 00:55:05,470
and we couldn't for love or money well

1053
00:55:10,350 --> 00:55:07,240
we could have for money but it was way

1054
00:55:12,390 --> 00:55:10,360
too much more money than we ever had we

1055
00:55:13,620 --> 00:55:12,400
didn't get a chance to see it but he

1056
00:55:15,180 --> 00:55:13,630
wouldn't let us in there to see it

1057
00:55:17,820 --> 00:55:15,190
unless we came I forgot how many

1058
00:55:20,940 --> 00:55:17,830
thousands of dollars to just have a look

1059
00:55:23,130 --> 00:55:20,950
at it but somewhere inches president

1060
00:55:28,380 --> 00:55:23,140
generous people a lot of they were out

1061
00:55:32,730 --> 00:55:28,390
of Texas that faked faked a Bigfoot on

1062
00:55:35,070 --> 00:55:32,740
on ice and yes I remember that yes yes

1063
00:55:37,830 --> 00:55:35,080
so it you know there are people out

1064
00:55:39,630 --> 00:55:37,840
there that do do that and all believe me

1065
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:39,640
yeah they're definitely hoaxsters out

1066
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:42,130
there yeah yeah that's for sure that's

1067
00:55:46,590 --> 00:55:43,690
why it's good to have people like you

1068
00:55:49,620 --> 00:55:46,600
guys that actually trained investigators

1069
00:55:52,830 --> 00:55:49,630
and you go out there not to prove your

1070
00:55:54,900 --> 00:55:52,840
thesis but just to see what it is yeah

1071
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:54,910
you know keep an open mind and do the

1072
00:55:59,280 --> 00:55:57,130
investigation we've got another

1073
00:56:03,810 --> 00:55:59,290
interesting case that we went on and

1074
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:03,820
this is we don't know where to put it it

1075
00:56:07,530 --> 00:56:05,770
wasn't you know this might be a good

1076
00:56:08,700 --> 00:56:07,540
place to take a break and because

1077
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:08,710
otherwise I'm gonna have to interrupt

1078
00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:10,210
you right in the middle of it and I

1079
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:12,250
don't want to do that so I hope she's

1080
00:56:17,250 --> 00:56:14,530
ready because we're gonna take a quick

1081
00:56:19,860 --> 00:56:17,260
break and when we come back more with

1082
00:56:21,240 --> 00:56:19,870
dick and Maryland

1083
00:56:23,130 --> 00:56:21,250
Carlson we're gonna hear something

1084
00:56:24,300 --> 00:56:23,140
brand-new gonna I have no idea what

1085
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:24,310
she's gonna tell us it's gonna be

1086
00:56:33,140 --> 00:56:31,520
I will go back to night vision tonight

1087
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:33,150
we're talking with dick and Marilyn

1088
00:56:39,710 --> 00:56:36,000
Carlson they are investigators of the

1089
00:56:42,380 --> 00:56:39,720
paranormal located in Oklahoma and my

1090
00:56:46,490 --> 00:56:42,390
home state and we're talking about all

1091
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:46,500
things weird in Oklahoma and believe me

1092
00:56:49,790 --> 00:56:48,450
these guys have a lot of cases that

1093
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:49,800
they've been investigating they've been

1094
00:56:52,850 --> 00:56:52,290
involved in the paranormal for a long

1095
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:52,860
time

1096
00:56:57,800 --> 00:56:54,810
trained investigators which is what we

1097
00:57:00,140 --> 00:56:57,810
need so they were just getting ready to

1098
00:57:01,910 --> 00:57:00,150
share a brand-new story I have no idea

1099
00:57:03,590 --> 00:57:01,920
what they're going to tell us and I'm

1100
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:03,600
all ears because dick wouldn't let

1101
00:57:11,210 --> 00:57:05,370
Maryland give me any hints on the break

1102
00:57:15,100 --> 00:57:11,220
so I'm all ears we we got a case that

1103
00:57:17,930 --> 00:57:15,110
came to us from Duncan Oklahoma and this

1104
00:57:20,390 --> 00:57:17,940
couple lived out kind of in the country

1105
00:57:23,570 --> 00:57:20,400
a little ways from the actual town of

1106
00:57:27,020 --> 00:57:23,580
Duncan and he was driving down the road

1107
00:57:30,980 --> 00:57:27,030
it was wife actually soon as yeah the

1108
00:57:33,740 --> 00:57:30,990
wife sent the email but but that they

1109
00:57:41,060 --> 00:57:33,750
were driving down the road daylight

1110
00:57:44,660 --> 00:57:41,070
daytime yeah but it was March yeah it

1111
00:57:50,570 --> 00:57:44,670
was in March it was daylight and they

1112
00:57:53,030 --> 00:57:50,580
saw this ball that was you could see

1113
00:57:57,170 --> 00:57:53,040
through it but yet it was very dark

1114
00:58:00,080 --> 00:57:57,180
smoky looking and it came across from

1115
00:58:03,770 --> 00:58:00,090
the field in front of the tree and

1116
00:58:05,690 --> 00:58:03,780
across the highway and off into the

1117
00:58:10,730 --> 00:58:05,700
field and just me and it often

1118
00:58:18,140 --> 00:58:10,740
disappeared and if the ball itself was

1119
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:18,150
about 103 foot he says it was almost as

1120
00:58:22,370 --> 00:58:20,730
white as the car yeah so that that's

1121
00:58:23,870 --> 00:58:22,380
what I remember says there's almost as

1122
00:58:28,310 --> 00:58:23,880
white as the car here but it was a

1123
00:58:30,290 --> 00:58:28,320
perfect well it was yeah it was a

1124
00:58:32,450 --> 00:58:30,300
perfect wound ball but you could see

1125
00:58:35,300 --> 00:58:32,460
through it and it was dark and it wasn't

1126
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:35,310
a sphere no it wasn't a sphere he

1127
00:58:40,820 --> 00:58:38,730
doesn't know yeah was it kind of like

1128
00:58:42,470 --> 00:58:40,830
articulating or was it kind of like

1129
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:42,480
moving about like it

1130
00:58:47,180 --> 00:58:44,730
wasn't even like you say it's not a

1131
00:58:50,150 --> 00:58:47,190
sphere so it wasn't like a perfect

1132
00:58:51,860 --> 00:58:50,160
sphere it was a different shape or did

1133
00:58:57,140 --> 00:58:51,870
it kind of change shape a little bit

1134
00:59:00,580 --> 00:58:57,150
change shape it's perfectly I mean you

1135
00:59:04,250 --> 00:59:00,590
know you hear about spheres or no shiny

1136
00:59:08,270 --> 00:59:04,260
UFOs or whatever and Bryce wasn't

1137
00:59:11,180 --> 00:59:08,280
spinning or anything like that and so we

1138
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:11,190
went down we took pictures look the area

1139
00:59:19,070 --> 00:59:14,970
over we did a thorough investigation

1140
00:59:21,310 --> 00:59:19,080
went over with many look for radiation

1141
00:59:25,010 --> 00:59:21,320
of some kind

1142
00:59:28,490 --> 00:59:25,020
there were no UFO reports from that

1143
00:59:32,420 --> 00:59:28,500
particular region at least not recently

1144
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:32,430
he'd driven that road driving that road

1145
00:59:36,590 --> 00:59:34,890
forever and this is the first time he'd

1146
00:59:41,330 --> 00:59:36,600
ever seen anything like this and he's an

1147
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:41,340
aeronautical engineers yes and so very

1148
00:59:50,330 --> 00:59:45,690
credible witness and so then we looked

1149
00:59:55,130 --> 00:59:50,340
into the possibility that bees will move

1150
00:59:57,290 --> 00:59:55,140
their entire hive and write that but it

1151
00:59:59,300 --> 00:59:57,300
wasn't bees there was no sound he rolled

1152
01:00:00,710 --> 00:59:59,310
his window down because he thought what

1153
01:00:02,750 --> 01:00:00,720
am i what is that

1154
01:00:05,690 --> 01:00:02,760
and there was no sound you would

1155
01:00:09,710 --> 01:00:05,700
probably at least see bees buzzing

1156
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:09,720
around like his vehicle but he there

1157
01:00:15,500 --> 01:00:11,970
weren't any that he said it was moving

1158
01:00:17,510 --> 01:00:15,510
about 150 estimated about 150 miles an

1159
01:00:20,420 --> 01:00:17,520
hour so I mean it was moving fast yeah

1160
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:20,430
it was got out it was there and you know

1161
01:00:26,020 --> 01:00:23,130
what across God and some of the things

1162
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:26,030
we asked him reading it from our website

1163
01:00:31,100 --> 01:00:28,650
that I asked him are you sure wasn't a

1164
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:31,110
solid object he said no it wasn't solid

1165
01:00:36,170 --> 01:00:33,570
the outer edge was fuzzy and even though

1166
01:00:38,330 --> 01:00:36,180
the center was black he could still see

1167
01:00:41,300 --> 01:00:38,340
through it I asked him did it appear to

1168
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:41,310
emit any sort of light no he said it did

1169
01:00:46,610 --> 01:00:43,650
no shadow didn't appear to be on the

1170
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:46,620
road in front of him and he said no it

1171
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:48,330
was above the surface of the road about

1172
01:00:52,730 --> 01:00:50,730
two or three foot when I asked what size

1173
01:00:55,730 --> 01:00:52,740
do you think it was compared to your

1174
01:00:56,450 --> 01:00:55,740
vehicle which is a Ford f-150

1175
01:01:00,140 --> 01:00:56,460
they

1176
01:01:02,570 --> 01:01:00,150
and hurry 50 van yesterday it was about

1177
01:01:04,700 --> 01:01:02,580
half the width of his vehicle so about

1178
01:01:10,910 --> 01:01:04,710
four foot wide mm-hmm

1179
01:01:16,550 --> 01:01:10,920
anyway we need no sound with that it's

1180
01:01:19,820 --> 01:01:16,560
not a UFO it's not a ghost it's it it

1181
01:01:24,950 --> 01:01:19,830
didn't fall into like a shadow man or an

1182
01:01:26,780 --> 01:01:24,960
or but perfectly round not at all we

1183
01:01:29,750 --> 01:01:26,790
just didn't know what it was it was one

1184
01:01:33,890 --> 01:01:29,760
of those unusual cases that we've never

1185
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:33,900
really solved it now an aeronautical

1186
01:01:41,570 --> 01:01:37,410
engineer did he have any theories

1187
01:01:45,260 --> 01:01:41,580
whatsoever and he was just as mystified

1188
01:01:47,870 --> 01:01:45,270
as we were he didn't play oh it could

1189
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:47,880
have been there were no storm so you

1190
01:01:51,859 --> 01:01:50,130
know ball lightning comes into mind and

1191
01:01:54,380 --> 01:01:51,869
those sort of things but but ball

1192
01:01:58,490 --> 01:01:54,390
lightning isn't dark doesn't look like

1193
01:02:01,579 --> 01:01:58,500
that yeah you hear stories about you

1194
01:02:04,790 --> 01:02:01,589
know a big round sort of glowing object

1195
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:04,800
or light you know that that lies by or

1196
01:02:10,670 --> 01:02:07,970
something but I haven't heard anything

1197
01:02:13,370 --> 01:02:10,680
the only thing that I've heard of that

1198
01:02:16,420 --> 01:02:13,380
it's similar to that it was out here and

1199
01:02:21,290 --> 01:02:16,430
it was in the LA area and it was in a

1200
01:02:23,660 --> 01:02:21,300
closed down hospital and they you know

1201
01:02:26,089 --> 01:02:23,670
we said this certain air okay Kevin for

1202
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:26,099
the grand prize of 1 million dollars

1203
01:02:34,670 --> 01:02:30,690
what color is the White House I know

1204
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:34,680
this into this I know this five seconds

1205
01:02:40,340 --> 01:02:37,410
oh switching to Geico could save you a

1206
01:02:44,290 --> 01:02:40,350
bunch of money on car insurance

1207
01:02:47,290 --> 01:02:44,300
judges that's true Kevin Dillon

1208
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:47,300
congratulations you're a winner

1209
01:02:52,490 --> 01:02:50,250
Geico because saving 15% or more on car

1210
01:02:55,790 --> 01:02:52,500
insurance is always a great answer but

1211
01:02:59,090 --> 01:02:55,800
the hospital is haunted and so a guy

1212
01:03:01,550 --> 01:02:59,100
that I know set up a camera you know a

1213
01:03:06,890 --> 01:03:01,560
motion-activated camera to put in there

1214
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:06,900
at night and this sort of black or dark

1215
01:03:13,250 --> 01:03:10,290
mass you know came by but it wasn't

1216
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:13,260
traveling that fast and it was more sort

1217
01:03:21,860 --> 01:03:15,690
of blobby but you could see through it

1218
01:03:25,910 --> 01:03:21,870
you know that's kind of how Shadow Man

1219
01:03:27,350 --> 01:03:25,920
sometimes they have the shadow man type

1220
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:27,360
of story

1221
01:03:34,190 --> 01:03:32,130
riah and we have seen when we've been

1222
01:03:36,140 --> 01:03:34,200
out ghost hunting we've seen what

1223
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:36,150
appears to be and it's there and then

1224
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:38,330
it's gone

1225
01:03:44,750 --> 01:03:41,010
something that's a dark shadow but it

1226
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:44,760
had more of a shadow of a figure and was

1227
01:03:51,020 --> 01:03:48,330
just a blob it was it was so unique that

1228
01:03:52,580 --> 01:03:51,030
we kind of a protocol if there's

1229
01:03:55,850 --> 01:03:52,590
something like you know think it's a

1230
01:03:57,980 --> 01:03:55,860
landing or something then so the first

1231
01:04:01,430 --> 01:03:57,990
thing we did is we broke out the Geiger

1232
01:04:03,740 --> 01:04:01,440
counter and did a sweep to make sure you

1233
01:04:07,330 --> 01:04:03,750
know what to protect ourself and deceive

1234
01:04:10,370 --> 01:04:07,340
you know there is any kind of residual

1235
01:04:12,140 --> 01:04:10,380
radiation from an including up because

1236
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:12,150
it was a barbed wire between the two

1237
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:13,290
trees

1238
01:04:18,470 --> 01:04:16,010
so what I would even check that and

1239
01:04:21,950 --> 01:04:18,480
didn't get anything so then we could

1240
01:04:25,690 --> 01:04:21,960
start you know really investigating

1241
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:25,700
millimeters and Trifield meters and

1242
01:04:30,590 --> 01:04:28,770
there was paws out in the field over on

1243
01:04:34,070 --> 01:04:30,600
that one side and they didn't act like

1244
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:34,080
there was anything wrong no hmm didn't

1245
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:35,010
pay any attention

1246
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:39,330
no they just got grazing and like merry

1247
01:04:45,020 --> 01:04:42,450
interesting you know it caught it

1248
01:04:46,250 --> 01:04:45,030
reminds me a little bit but you know and

1249
01:04:48,020 --> 01:04:46,260
you'll know exactly what I'm talking

1250
01:04:51,020 --> 01:04:48,030
about and you'll see why it's not like

1251
01:04:53,450 --> 01:04:51,030
this but it you know it came you said it

1252
01:04:55,519 --> 01:04:53,460
was over the field remember

1253
01:04:57,769 --> 01:04:55,529
we know when people have seen things

1254
01:04:59,719 --> 01:04:57,779
sort of flying around and hovering over

1255
01:05:04,489 --> 01:04:59,729
fields that where crop circles were

1256
01:05:07,539 --> 01:05:04,499
created have you guys ever investigating

1257
01:05:12,319 --> 01:05:07,549
crop circles around that area we had one

1258
01:05:15,979 --> 01:05:12,329
crop circle report but when we went out

1259
01:05:19,489 --> 01:05:15,989
and looked at it what we could see was

1260
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:19,499
that the field had been flooded and as

1261
01:05:28,459 --> 01:05:24,930
the water ran off that the grass had was

1262
01:05:32,930 --> 01:05:28,469
lying down where the the ground had been

1263
01:05:36,979 --> 01:05:32,940
so wet that have flowed off and into the

1264
01:05:39,979 --> 01:05:36,989
ditch area so we ruled that as weather

1265
01:05:44,599 --> 01:05:39,989
weather phenomenon and weather-related

1266
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:44,609
rather than being a real crop circle a

1267
01:05:49,309 --> 01:05:47,130
real crop circle there was not not

1268
01:05:53,989 --> 01:05:49,319
enough of shape to it to even indicate

1269
01:05:55,519 --> 01:05:53,999
that it was an actual design now we

1270
01:06:00,709 --> 01:05:55,529
didn't have our drone there but we have

1271
01:06:02,959 --> 01:06:00,719
a drone now where we can yeah yeah now

1272
01:06:05,029 --> 01:06:02,969
had there been any crop circles in

1273
01:06:09,890 --> 01:06:05,039
Oklahoma I don't know if I've heard

1274
01:06:10,569 --> 01:06:09,900
about any um no there have not that we

1275
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:10,579
know of

1276
01:06:16,969 --> 01:06:13,410
um it's kind of interesting with all the

1277
01:06:19,579 --> 01:06:16,979
fields you know but I guess there has

1278
01:06:25,670 --> 01:06:19,589
been up in Kansas there was some crop

1279
01:06:27,709 --> 01:06:25,680
circles but none Oklahoma so interesting

1280
01:06:30,859 --> 01:06:27,719
now it the crop circle phenomenon I know

1281
01:06:34,190 --> 01:06:30,869
you guys do in Bastrop investigate crop

1282
01:06:36,979 --> 01:06:34,200
circles is that something that is still

1283
01:06:40,729 --> 01:06:36,989
ongoing or have we kind of seen that

1284
01:06:43,069 --> 01:06:40,739
really dwindle seems like it's dwindled

1285
01:06:44,839 --> 01:06:43,079
but I don't know I always become kind of

1286
01:06:52,009 --> 01:06:44,849
kind of know there's kind of like a

1287
01:06:54,819 --> 01:06:52,019
season for that the there is um I'm

1288
01:07:01,459 --> 01:06:54,829
trying to think of her name she promotes

1289
01:07:03,559 --> 01:07:01,469
vanderbrook stuff out of Holland was the

1290
01:07:07,430 --> 01:07:03,569
gallon came and stayed with us so he

1291
01:07:13,570 --> 01:07:07,440
lived in Everett she was crop circles

1292
01:07:23,260 --> 01:07:17,360
lady I can't think of your name now I'm

1293
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:23,270
sorry okay I just haven't seen any

1294
01:07:28,730 --> 01:07:26,370
reports recently and it seems like but

1295
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:28,740
maybe dick also has a point there that

1296
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:30,450
maybe you know it's sort of become a

1297
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:32,970
comedy it's really not big big news

1298
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:36,330
anymore you know it's like you know it

1299
01:07:41,660 --> 01:07:38,370
was for a long time while it was so

1300
01:07:45,950 --> 01:07:41,670
unusual but then there were so many it

1301
01:07:48,140 --> 01:07:45,960
was kind of commonplace there there's

1302
01:07:53,300 --> 01:07:48,150
some that there's I think it was just

1303
01:07:57,230 --> 01:07:53,310
impossible for somebody to create that

1304
01:08:00,710 --> 01:07:57,240
crop circle that you know they wouldn't

1305
01:08:05,780 --> 01:08:00,720
be seen out in the field creating it you

1306
01:08:08,750 --> 01:08:05,790
know right I think that there they are a

1307
01:08:11,330 --> 01:08:08,760
real mystery yeah I I think so too I

1308
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:11,340
mean I I it's it's just like we said you

1309
01:08:17,329 --> 01:08:13,650
know with some of these creatures or

1310
01:08:19,249 --> 01:08:17,339
sightings or whatever some of it some of

1311
01:08:21,440 --> 01:08:19,259
those are hoaxes you know but that

1312
01:08:23,749 --> 01:08:21,450
doesn't discount that there are real

1313
01:08:26,210 --> 01:08:23,759
stories and same thing with the crop

1314
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:26,220
circles I know that people do make them

1315
01:08:31,340 --> 01:08:29,130
I know people that have made them I know

1316
01:08:32,870 --> 01:08:31,350
people that have made huge ones and they

1317
01:08:37,249 --> 01:08:32,880
were just absolutely gorgeous

1318
01:08:38,269 --> 01:08:37,259
they even those people say that it took

1319
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:38,279
them away or not

1320
01:08:43,999 --> 01:08:41,730
and we don't make them all and we've had

1321
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:44,009
weird stuff happen while we've been out

1322
01:08:49,820 --> 01:08:46,770
making them they've seen weird things in

1323
01:08:51,289 --> 01:08:49,830
fact they were a guy some guys out of

1324
01:08:55,070 --> 01:08:51,299
England they called themselves the

1325
01:08:58,579 --> 01:08:55,080
circle makers and we actually had them

1326
01:09:00,559 --> 01:08:58,589
build us a crop circle and it was the

1327
01:09:02,180 --> 01:09:00,569
time of year where we had to go to a

1328
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:02,190
place in the world where the crops were

1329
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:04,650
right it was for an NBC special so we

1330
01:09:09,710 --> 01:09:07,770
went to New Zealand and these guys did a

1331
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:09,720
crop circle about the size of a football

1332
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:11,970
field and believe it or not it took him

1333
01:09:16,249 --> 01:09:12,930
about four hours

1334
01:09:19,980 --> 01:09:16,259
not very long really we showed it in

1335
01:09:23,700 --> 01:09:19,990
time-lapse photography it was beautiful

1336
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:23,710
but those guys said hey we started

1337
01:09:30,210 --> 01:09:27,850
making them sort of in omage to the ones

1338
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:30,220
that we believe were the real ones you

1339
01:09:35,580 --> 01:09:32,650
know it's sort of like a you know an art

1340
01:09:38,430 --> 01:09:35,590
form that we have you know that we got

1341
01:09:41,580 --> 01:09:38,440
from them and they don't discount that

1342
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:41,590
there are real ones and in fact a part

1343
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:44,170
of the website said weird stuff happens

1344
01:09:48,090 --> 01:09:46,570
and in Alec said but what they didn't

1345
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:48,100
use the word stuff they used the word

1346
01:09:53,730 --> 01:09:49,810
that we probably used if we weren't on

1347
01:09:55,770 --> 01:09:53,740
the radio but it that was at an actual

1348
01:09:58,440 --> 01:09:55,780
page on their website and you click on

1349
01:10:00,510 --> 01:09:58,450
that and they tell about all the really

1350
01:10:02,550 --> 01:10:00,520
bizarre stuffs and UFO sightings that

1351
01:10:05,010 --> 01:10:02,560
they've had while they were out doing

1352
01:10:07,170 --> 01:10:05,020
stuff in the middle of the night so I

1353
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:07,180
think first like talk about a UFO case

1354
01:10:13,020 --> 01:10:09,130
that we investigated here in Oklahoma

1355
01:10:19,190 --> 01:10:13,030
that it was in Buffalo Oklahoma where's

1356
01:10:23,370 --> 01:10:19,200
that not familiar is over by the western

1357
01:10:25,620 --> 01:10:23,380
border up close to the Panhandle oh okay

1358
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:25,630
yeah it's just north of Woodward

1359
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:29,770
Oklahoma North okay yeah god yeah these

1360
01:10:35,940 --> 01:10:33,370
people had a sighting they went out to

1361
01:10:39,390 --> 01:10:35,950
feed their horses that they had on

1362
01:10:45,390 --> 01:10:39,400
property that they ran it and they saw

1363
01:10:48,300 --> 01:10:45,400
this UFO come down and hover over above

1364
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:48,310
the horses and it scared him really bad

1365
01:10:55,830 --> 01:10:51,930
so they ran and got in their car and

1366
01:10:58,710 --> 01:10:55,840
left and then they called us and

1367
01:11:06,060 --> 01:10:58,720
reported to us what what had happened to

1368
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:06,070
him and we drove over there and the

1369
01:11:15,090 --> 01:11:08,770
horses had on their backs these round

1370
01:11:18,540 --> 01:11:15,100
circles white powdery brown circles we

1371
01:11:21,780 --> 01:11:18,550
do not know what they were we tried to

1372
01:11:27,440 --> 01:11:21,790
take samples of what they were there was

1373
01:11:31,820 --> 01:11:27,450
a spot on the in the pasture between

1374
01:11:33,630 --> 01:11:31,830
where the gate was and a big tree that

1375
01:11:36,930 --> 01:11:33,640
there was a

1376
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:36,940
Circle that was looked like the grass

1377
01:11:46,230 --> 01:11:43,570
just died off and we we went we used the

1378
01:11:54,740 --> 01:11:46,240
Geiger counter and got no response on it

1379
01:11:59,460 --> 01:11:54,750
but the lady had on her marks on her arm

1380
01:12:02,070 --> 01:11:59,470
where it looked like a bruise that where

1381
01:12:07,350 --> 01:12:02,080
three fingers and a thumb had grabbed

1382
01:12:09,330 --> 01:12:07,360
her on her on her forearm oh geez

1383
01:12:13,170 --> 01:12:09,340
so you think there might have been some

1384
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:13,180
missing time going on there yes they did

1385
01:12:18,450 --> 01:12:15,730
some missing time but she did not want

1386
01:12:21,210 --> 01:12:18,460
to know what happened to her she swore

1387
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:21,220
up and down it could impossible it was

1388
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:23,290
impossible that it was a UFO

1389
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:26,170
she nothing happened to her she didn't

1390
01:12:33,380 --> 01:12:29,890
want to know what was their description

1391
01:12:39,480 --> 01:12:33,390
how did they describe those silver discs

1392
01:12:42,150 --> 01:12:39,490
and it had lights on it Wow and it just

1393
01:12:47,820 --> 01:12:42,160
turns out that that area that they

1394
01:12:48,690 --> 01:12:47,830
reported seeing it is a no-fly zone for

1395
01:12:54,570 --> 01:12:48,700
the military

1396
01:12:58,440 --> 01:12:54,580
oh that's interesting yeah so we don't

1397
01:13:00,090 --> 01:12:58,450
know if she saw a real honest - cause

1398
01:13:03,210 --> 01:13:00,100
you up Bob with that belong to

1399
01:13:05,130 --> 01:13:03,220
extraterrestrials or did more she

1400
01:13:08,250 --> 01:13:05,140
witnessed to something that they were

1401
01:13:10,710 --> 01:13:08,260
testing that was ours some kind of

1402
01:13:15,150 --> 01:13:10,720
advanced technology they yeah we may be

1403
01:13:19,230 --> 01:13:15,160
developing yeah hard to know why no

1404
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:19,240
publicity none she was afraid that you

1405
01:13:23,250 --> 01:13:20,890
know there's the fear thing again with

1406
01:13:26,220 --> 01:13:23,260
people well it's a small town and she

1407
01:13:28,950 --> 01:13:26,230
was afraid that your kids would be

1408
01:13:31,470 --> 01:13:28,960
ridiculed at school and they probably

1409
01:13:33,090 --> 01:13:31,480
would have been yeah we want to go to

1410
01:13:35,190 --> 01:13:33,100
the sheriff's department and ask the

1411
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:35,200
estimate that scenery she wouldn't let

1412
01:13:43,980 --> 01:13:40,690
us yeah well you know that's that's a

1413
01:13:47,669 --> 01:13:43,990
believable person you know when somebody

1414
01:13:50,669 --> 01:13:47,679
wants to charge you money and get on TV

1415
01:13:53,429 --> 01:13:50,679
or something like that yeah not so much

1416
01:13:56,129 --> 01:13:53,439
but someone knew something happened to

1417
01:13:57,929 --> 01:13:56,139
this lady I really believe that somebody

1418
01:14:00,949 --> 01:13:57,939
that's just looking for answers that to

1419
01:14:05,790 --> 01:14:00,959
me is a much more believable witness and

1420
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:05,800
oh that's really wild now was it big did

1421
01:14:15,449 --> 01:14:08,650
she have any idea of size or anything

1422
01:14:18,929 --> 01:14:15,459
like that remember was a MUFON thing in

1423
01:14:26,370 --> 01:14:18,939
the beginning yeah it came down hard

1424
01:14:31,199 --> 01:14:26,380
stir it was a start team Oh we'll never

1425
01:14:32,669 --> 01:14:31,209
know about that came out sent somebody

1426
01:14:35,459 --> 01:14:32,679
out there and investigated and they were

1427
01:14:38,819 --> 01:14:35,469
so rude to her it upset her so when they

1428
01:14:44,489 --> 01:14:38,829
had the other incident where she had the

1429
01:14:46,229 --> 01:14:44,499
marks on her arm she called us oh wait a

1430
01:14:49,379 --> 01:14:46,239
minute are you talking about two

1431
01:14:52,859 --> 01:14:49,389
incidents yes there was more than one we

1432
01:14:55,169 --> 01:14:52,869
went by the way with a Mel meter and we

1433
01:15:00,679 --> 01:14:55,179
got a we got a response with a Mel meter

1434
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:04,350
electromagnetic field detector oh and

1435
01:15:09,629 --> 01:15:06,610
you use it when you do a lot of ghost

1436
01:15:12,060 --> 01:15:09,639
hunting right right I never heard it

1437
01:15:15,089 --> 01:15:12,070
called a Mel meter yeah I know actually

1438
01:15:16,649 --> 01:15:15,099
let me see the title does it mean

1439
01:15:21,239 --> 01:15:16,659
anything the guy needed after his

1440
01:15:25,549 --> 01:15:21,249
daughter was named all what it saw yeah

1441
01:15:28,109 --> 01:15:25,559
that's a yeah that's cool EMF EMF meter

1442
01:15:30,959 --> 01:15:28,119
was like a droid feeling yes

1443
01:15:36,169 --> 01:15:30,969
yeah that's interesting and then you got

1444
01:15:41,790 --> 01:15:36,179
a response responses on that hmm

1445
01:15:44,239 --> 01:15:41,800
interesting now what was the time length

1446
01:15:46,699 --> 01:15:44,249
of time in between these two incidents a

1447
01:15:52,350 --> 01:15:46,709
week maybe

1448
01:15:54,779 --> 01:15:52,360
really yeah and so in that week the

1449
01:15:57,060 --> 01:15:54,789
MUFON team had been out there mm-hmm

1450
01:16:04,100 --> 01:15:57,070
and then something else happened and she

1451
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:14,100
be careful we might all disappear when I

1452
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:17,290
humbly Lord went up there yeah yeah

1453
01:16:39,810 --> 01:16:19,810
guess that already the start team

1454
01:16:41,790 --> 01:16:39,820
already don't Marilyn she he could you

1455
01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:41,800
figured out a way to work that out you

1456
01:16:48,510 --> 01:16:44,050
know what they say happy wife happy life

1457
01:16:52,979 --> 01:16:48,520
yeah well you know she she also reported

1458
01:16:55,910 --> 01:16:52,989
that she had unusual dreams and that the

1459
01:16:59,399 --> 01:16:55,920
the kids were also having weird dreams

1460
01:17:02,180 --> 01:16:59,409
did they share any of that um

1461
01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:02,190
the dreams that she was having was that

1462
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:09,130
she was being visited by these this

1463
01:17:18,290 --> 01:17:12,610
light and she kept saying the light came

1464
01:17:20,490 --> 01:17:18,300
into the room but I was asleep and so I

1465
01:17:22,919 --> 01:17:20,500
don't know and then of course she got

1466
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:22,929
the marks on her arm so I really think

1467
01:17:31,320 --> 01:17:29,290
that when that UFO came hovered over him

1468
01:17:36,060 --> 01:17:31,330
you know when they were out in the field

1469
01:17:38,970 --> 01:17:36,070
with the horses I think they were zeroed

1470
01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:38,980
in on and then a week later she's had

1471
01:17:43,830 --> 01:17:42,130
this this she had strange dreams and

1472
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:43,840
then she ended up with some marks on her

1473
01:17:50,310 --> 01:17:47,650
body she but she would not she would not

1474
01:17:55,919 --> 01:17:50,320
accept that the possibility that she was

1475
01:17:58,169 --> 01:17:55,929
an abductee I don't blame her I

1476
01:18:00,899 --> 01:17:58,179
understand that because I do work with

1477
01:18:04,110 --> 01:18:00,909
them abductees that you know I wanted

1478
01:18:06,870 --> 01:18:04,120
early get it yeah well we like to have

1479
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:06,880
the information that's for sure yeah now

1480
01:18:13,530 --> 01:18:09,130
how long ago was this is this something

1481
01:18:16,770 --> 01:18:13,540
recent her girl is still state director

1482
01:18:19,470 --> 01:18:16,780
seven eight years ago maybe I wonder if

1483
01:18:24,410 --> 01:18:19,480
anything's happened to her since I don't

1484
01:18:27,630 --> 01:18:24,420
know I know she won't call moon phone

1485
01:18:29,670 --> 01:18:27,640
yeah ooh maybe you got a double back and

1486
01:18:32,480 --> 01:18:29,680
check up on her and see anything else

1487
01:18:36,090 --> 01:18:32,490
has gone on maybe she'll open up

1488
01:18:39,300 --> 01:18:36,100
especially if she continues to have some

1489
01:18:41,070 --> 01:18:39,310
kind of experiences she may want to do

1490
01:18:42,750 --> 01:18:41,080
something about it although she probably

1491
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:42,760
would have called if she wanted to do

1492
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:43,810
something about it

1493
01:18:50,220 --> 01:18:46,410
yeah I think she probably would have

1494
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:50,230
that's an interesting story though we we

1495
01:18:55,310 --> 01:18:52,810
went on an investigation that did a

1496
01:18:59,220 --> 01:18:55,320
ghost hunt where the people did not want

1497
01:19:04,080 --> 01:18:59,230
the entity moved out that was a that was

1498
01:19:05,730 --> 01:19:04,090
one in in Springfield Missouri they said

1499
01:19:10,050 --> 01:19:05,740
she's not bothering us we just were

1500
01:19:14,490 --> 01:19:10,060
really curious about it and we don't we

1501
01:19:17,940 --> 01:19:14,500
don't want her moved out so well what

1502
01:19:21,180 --> 01:19:17,950
was the story on her well this is the

1503
01:19:23,220 --> 01:19:21,190
one in Springfield where all cry the

1504
01:19:25,500 --> 01:19:23,230
young nine year old girl made contact

1505
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:25,510
with us she was murdered in that at that

1506
01:19:34,010 --> 01:19:28,330
time it was a home but now it's a

1507
01:19:38,490 --> 01:19:34,020
business it's a plumbing business and

1508
01:19:45,150 --> 01:19:38,500
kind of what's now considered the old

1509
01:19:47,390 --> 01:19:45,160
downtown area of Springfield but they

1510
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:47,400
contacted us wanted to know more about

1511
01:19:57,240 --> 01:19:50,650
what was going on things were being

1512
01:19:59,580 --> 01:19:57,250
moved and things would appear and

1513
01:20:02,310 --> 01:19:59,590
disappear when they wouldn't know where

1514
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:02,320
and then it would show up someplace else

1515
01:20:11,990 --> 01:20:09,010
and in the in the house and so my cat

1516
01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:12,000
just stepped on me are you still there

1517
01:20:17,730 --> 01:20:15,250
yes I'm still yours you stepped on the

1518
01:20:20,580 --> 01:20:17,740
computer and I'm going oh just oh my

1519
01:20:22,440 --> 01:20:20,590
goodness Oh help bunny yeah I have to

1520
01:20:24,270 --> 01:20:22,450
chain up the dogs not chained them up

1521
01:20:28,030 --> 01:20:24,280
but I have them sequestered in another

1522
01:20:31,850 --> 01:20:28,040
room one of the kids yes the dog

1523
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:31,860
oh my dogs you to be hearing I'm if they

1524
01:20:40,990 --> 01:20:37,290
were out believe me but now have you got

1525
01:20:43,610 --> 01:20:41,000
did you guys have like initial

1526
01:20:47,390 --> 01:20:43,620
experiences or what sparked your

1527
01:20:49,250 --> 01:20:47,400
interest in in in all these kinds of

1528
01:20:51,830 --> 01:20:49,260
strange subjects all this paranormal

1529
01:20:55,190 --> 01:20:51,840
activity how did you get on to it in the

1530
01:20:58,220 --> 01:20:55,200
first place I had a very unusual

1531
01:21:03,440 --> 01:20:58,230
experience in the 90s when we were

1532
01:21:06,170 --> 01:21:03,450
living in Biloxi Mississippi and it was

1533
01:21:11,210 --> 01:21:06,180
that experience with an extraterrestrial

1534
01:21:14,990 --> 01:21:11,220
that I took a huge interest in what was

1535
01:21:17,950 --> 01:21:15,000
going on and I had and I had a

1536
01:21:20,590 --> 01:21:17,960
meditation group at that time and

1537
01:21:23,990 --> 01:21:20,600
information started coming to me about

1538
01:21:29,950 --> 01:21:24,000
et in contact with et and so forth and

1539
01:21:35,030 --> 01:21:29,960
so I'm like this girl came to our

1540
01:21:38,810 --> 01:21:35,040
meeting and she claimed to have um a lot

1541
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:38,820
of contact with et and very personal

1542
01:21:44,500 --> 01:21:42,690
contact with et and I said to her well

1543
01:21:47,150 --> 01:21:44,510
if they really do exist

1544
01:21:51,260 --> 01:21:47,160
can you just make arrangements for a

1545
01:21:51,500 --> 01:21:51,270
flyby well I think we can do better than

1546
01:21:56,450 --> 01:21:51,510
that

1547
01:22:01,670 --> 01:21:56,460
a week later I had the experience and oh

1548
01:22:07,790 --> 01:22:01,680
my gosh yeah and it was after that that

1549
01:22:16,070 --> 01:22:10,490
ghost hunting and had done a little bit

1550
01:22:19,250 --> 01:22:16,080
of that as well so we just kind of

1551
01:22:21,410 --> 01:22:19,260
graduated from there to taking an

1552
01:22:25,460 --> 01:22:21,420
interest in Bigfoot and researching

1553
01:22:27,230 --> 01:22:25,470
Bigfoot and we weren't expecting to have

1554
01:22:30,740 --> 01:22:27,240
that experience with Bigfoot in

1555
01:22:32,270 --> 01:22:30,750
Pennsylvania but um well yeah I grew up

1556
01:22:35,270 --> 01:22:32,280
in Montana and hunted and there's

1557
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:35,280
everything I just like ken King grew up

1558
01:22:39,709 --> 01:22:38,850
in Keller Missouri and lived in power

1559
01:22:41,930 --> 01:22:39,719
out of the car

1560
01:22:45,890 --> 01:22:41,940
and everything else neither one of us

1561
01:22:47,660 --> 01:22:45,900
believe Bigfoot at all I mean gee I

1562
01:22:49,939 --> 01:22:47,670
never saw a dead one I never saw any

1563
01:22:52,310 --> 01:22:49,949
skeleton I never saw that of course it's

1564
01:22:55,189 --> 01:22:52,320
did you ever find a skeleton of a bear

1565
01:22:58,580 --> 01:22:55,199
when you're out hunting no but anyway

1566
01:23:02,089 --> 01:22:58,590
and then he has this experience and I go

1567
01:23:06,620 --> 01:23:02,099
him I cast the footprint so also do we

1568
01:23:08,839 --> 01:23:06,630
both became believers absolutely well

1569
01:23:13,310 --> 01:23:08,849
I'm sure glad that you know something

1570
01:23:14,930 --> 01:23:13,320
sparked both your interest because you

1571
01:23:17,180 --> 01:23:14,940
know you've done such a you have such a

1572
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:17,190
great body of work already and I can't

1573
01:23:20,779 --> 01:23:18,690
wait to hear what you guys are gonna be

1574
01:23:23,359 --> 01:23:20,789
on to next and I can't wait to hear more

1575
01:23:25,729 --> 01:23:23,369
about this dog man investigation are you

1576
01:23:27,439 --> 01:23:25,739
gonna continue on with that yes we'll

1577
01:23:31,189 --> 01:23:27,449
probably try to make a trip over to

1578
01:23:33,229 --> 01:23:31,199
Boone County and we want to do it when

1579
01:23:41,959 --> 01:23:33,239
Ken can do it right now he's really busy

1580
01:23:45,859 --> 01:23:41,969
with his campground business yep school

1581
01:23:47,359 --> 01:23:45,869
year well the music's rolling guys it's

1582
01:23:49,879 --> 01:23:47,369
gone so fast

1583
01:23:52,939 --> 01:23:49,889
thanks very much to dick and Marilyn

1584
01:23:55,879 --> 01:23:52,949
Thompson and paranormal investigators

1585
01:23:58,910 --> 01:23:55,889
for sharing what's in your backyard in

1586
01:24:01,160 --> 01:23:58,920
my old own backyard and remember we're

1587
01:24:03,439 --> 01:24:01,170
going to be doing this as a recurring

1588
01:24:05,359 --> 01:24:03,449
feature so if you have someone from your

1589
01:24:07,219 --> 01:24:05,369
state or even your country

1590
01:24:09,529 --> 01:24:07,229
that you'd like to recommend to

1591
01:24:11,719 --> 01:24:09,539
represent your area and tell us all

1592
01:24:14,870 --> 01:24:11,729
about all the strange things around you

1593
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:14,880
that are in your backyard let us know at

1594
01:24:19,910 --> 01:24:17,610
inception radio or hit me up on Facebook

1595
01:24:23,810 --> 01:24:19,920
dick and Marilyn thanks so much and

1596
01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:23,820
thanks to MJ as usual take care